[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By sleepingrose, 14th April 2023 07:58:00
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SpottedFur97 wrote:

But, I'm a bit at a loss in figuring out how many horses I will need as a good foundation herd?


I believe the answer to this is "yes."
But in all seriousness it depends on how large of a project you want.
Twinjodi has the numbers listed in her ec forum for the generational pyramid - that can help you see what you'll need for how many generations you are aiming for.

As to the organisation, some go for spreadsheets, some for naming systems, some for both.

We also have a NIB discord if you or anyone else cares to join us for moral support and advice
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By SpottedFur97, 14th April 2023 22:04:50
Oh awesome! Ty so much <3
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By offthetrack, 16th April 2023 00:47:36
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hi! i recently found a foundation arabian mare that i wanted to use for breeding and just stumbled across this forum. i read back a couple pages and found it really interesting so I think i'll try my hand at NIB breeding. any tips are welcome <3
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By Retired breeder, 18th April 2023 13:26:36
Hello! <3 I am still fairly new to Howrse and have a question that I just can’t figure out concerning NIB. I have to offspring from Gaia and Ouranos, would I be able to breed them because Gaia and Ouranos are exceptions? Are their offspring considered “foundies”? Any tips/advice is welcome and appreciated <3
By Retired breeder, 18th April 2023 13:43:47
Retired breeder wrote:

Hello! <3 I am still fairly new to Howrse and have a question that I just can’t figure out concerning NIB. I have to offspring from Gaia and Ouranos, would I be able to breed them because Gaia and Ouranos are exceptions? Are their offspring considered “foundies”? Any tips/advice is welcome and appreciated <3


I have been confused with this too!
By Twinjodi, 18th April 2023 16:17:07
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So a foundation is any horse that has Gaia and Ouranos as its parents. These horses when bred together give you 1st generation NIB foals.

Gaia/Ouranos - These are the magical horses in which all horses start from on Howrse. They are considered to be the creators.

Foundations - These horses are the direct offspring of Ouranos and Gaia. Being so, they would not be considered related BECAUSE of that. By default that's just how all horses created dam/sire are listed as. If it helps, imagine seeing nothing as their parents. They are the start of their own lines.

1st Generations - These horses are bred when pairing two foundation horses together. Their grandparents are Ouranos and Gaia.
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By Twinjodi, 18th April 2023 16:23:27
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@offthetrack

A lot of us enjoy the challenge of it! Try to get as many foundations as you think you'll want for your project. As sleepy said there is a generational pyramid in my forum and our discord. This can sometimes be a challenge as there isn't a "foundation" search option. Right now I believe the pastry foals and the new foundations are still under 8000. So when searching I go Breed, GP under 8000, and purebred. Unfortunately from there, unless they are an event released breed in which they had a pretty set GP (((( like my french trotters, their GP release during the event was 4110, 4116, 4122, and 4128. Kerry Bogs were 3655 I believe, and so on and so forth. If you are interested in a breed that DID have a breed release during an event, an older player is awesome in that they will usually have some of the breed and can give you a reference point for their GP during that event which can narrow down your search more. )))

If it's not a breed that was released during an event OR you're looking for any and all GP foundations you can get, from there it's just a game the time consuming challenge of searching each horse for those needles in a haystack.
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By Twinjodi, 18th April 2023 16:27:47
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As an alternative for foundations that does come with risks as it poses the threat of your ancestors disappearing, uni fails are a good spot to look at too, or even contacting other breeders to see if they might breed you some 1st Generation foals from their foundations. NIB (and collectors) can/are VERY protective of their OG horses so will never sell you theirs, but can sometimes be more lenient with their RGs if they are not involved in their projects and a lot are happy to breed you first gens from their herd.
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By Flara Starburst, 21st April 2023 23:14:07
If anyone is in need of a German Saddle Horse foundation, snagged one from auction earlier today.
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By Pinque, 24th April 2023 20:07:34
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offthetrack wrote:

hi! i recently found a foundation arabian mare that i wanted to use for breeding and just stumbled across this forum. i read back a couple pages and found it really interesting so I think i'll try my hand at NIB breeding. any tips are welcome <3



Welcome!
If you have any questions, feel free to contact any of us or post your questions here and one, or more of us will get back to you.

In regards to foundation horses, are you looking for the original foundations (GPs in the 350's) or the rolling GP foundations (whose GPs will be much higher), so we can give you better advice?

Glad to have you with us!
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By lbenedict15, 25th April 2023 22:34:51
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Welcome to those of you that are new! Just wanted to share a few things that the NIB community have been actively working on off the Howrse site. The Discord channel is a great place to get help easily with fills, as well as just fun discussion. The Breeder's List and Project List helps those of us find fellow breeders as well as homes for foundations that may otherwise be collecting more dust than we like to see! By all meams, these are voluntary and not required by any means. Just helpful information!


Twinjodi wrote:

Links for the Community

International Discord Link

By the Breed Breeder's List

NIB Breeder Projects

Please feel free to message myself (Twinjodi), lbenedict15, or sleepingrose if you'd like anything added, edited, etc on either list! default smiley :)
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By Flara Starburst, 2nd May 2023 15:02:10
Hello! I managed to grab up a foundation Finnish filly out of direct sales. Happy to send it on to a dedicated Finnish breeder at a reasonable price. I'll continue to work with her as she ages until a NIBer reaches out.
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By Twinjodi, 3rd May 2023 07:08:10
Shisei breeds them as do a few others!
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By lbenedict15, 26th June 2023 09:42:08
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Hello all! Hope everyone is progressing with their projects! Keep up all the hard work!

Been nicely progressing my herds lately. Kind of jumping around from herd to herd, keeping everything moving even if just a little bit. Even just chipping away I am seeing some big jumps in some herds. Certainly feels good to be getting some work done!
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By nlriver, 26th June 2023 13:11:59
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I am still trying to organise and sort my hoard out. Slowly getting there. I can't wait to get back to my main NIB lines and start to pull them up a bit.
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By Asfridur, 27th June 2023 08:27:44
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RL is keeping me so darn busy lately I want to scream default smiley (lol)

I'm still thinking about all my lovelies - I hope that counts until RL gives me a break default smiley (l)
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By BRM, 3rd July 2023 19:20:05
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Just wanted to drop in and say that I do NOT have a problem with hoarding Morgan foundies. Do not listen to the 71 horses and 2 unicorns. Gee, is it that many?!
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By Asfridur, 6th July 2023 10:14:39
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BRM wrote:

Just wanted to drop in and say that I do NOT have a problem with hoarding Morgan foundies. Do not listen to the 71 horses and 2 unicorns. Gee, is it that many?!

Welcome back Morgan errr collector default smiley (lol)default smiley (l)
Good to see you again!
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By NɪɢʜᴛSᴛᴀʀ, 7th July 2023 22:07:45
I have some various foundies I'd be willing to sell to a dedicated NIB breeder. If anyone's interested, just let me know!

Also, I was wondering if horses with disappeared parents count as NIB, since there's no way of knowing unless you bred it yourself?
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By nlriver, 8th July 2023 21:46:06
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NɪɢʜᴛSᴛᴀʀ wrote:

Also, I was wondering if horses with disappeared parents count as NIB, since there's no way of knowing unless you bred it yourself?



Generally, most of us who maintain NIB lines don't accept horses with missing ancestors as there is no way to prove they are NIB. It tends to be one of the reasons why NIBing is so expensive, we have to keep all the ones that we use.
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By tigrelily, 9th July 2023 04:46:42
Vala wrote:

How do you guys go with disappeared horses? Does that count if the horse is NIB since then? Cheers


What some NIB breeders do is take a screen shot of the horse that has "disappeared". Also record the horse's ID number in the screen shot to verify the horse existed.
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By tigrelily, 9th July 2023 04:50:20
SpottedFur97 wrote:

Apologies if this post is misplaced here or been done before, but since I've returned to howrse I've been resolute in trying my hand at making my own NIB line (breed of choice German Saddle Horses) But, I'm a bit at a loss in figuring out how many horses I will need as a good foundation herd? And was curious if more knowledgeable NIB breeders have any tips on how to organize who's related to who. Spreadsheets, etc. default smiley :d <3 Feel free to PM me if you feel this would clog the thread <3


That would depend on how far out you want the generations to go. Some do four, five, or six generations out; some take it further. I think Twinjodi has that information in her forum or on discord.
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By Vala, 9th July 2023 04:53:23
I’ve taken a screen shot of all my ‘base’ pairs family trees and saved them in files to my computer, and I’m working in groups of 32 pairs of horses per group. I’m spending more time on my NIB GSH projects than anything else now!
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By tigrelily, 9th July 2023 05:28:24
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Just a reminder for more seasoned NIBers, as well as informing the newer ones, Yankee Lady had to give up her TESF Stallions Original Foundations due to health reasons. I took over 121 of them. If anyone needs a cover from a foundation stallion, you're welcome to check out these stallions in the Foundation Breeds farm. Scroll down to TESF Stallions Original Found. You'll find pony and horse breeds there.

I don't know who took responsibility of other breeds. I think, Storms Ransome took on the foundation Appaloosas. Someone please correct me if this is incorrect.

I also have foundation breeds that aren't listed in that breeding farm in other farms. Can't find what you need, shoot me a pm and I'll help you find them.

btw I'm always looking for black foundation Arabians. Just let me know and we'll work out a deal. default smiley ;)
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By Froger500, 11th July 2023 02:47:04
hi everyone ive started a new NiB tb project and am looking for horses to purchase any help is appreciated. i have a couple of males to stud out as well.
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