[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By tigrelily, 1st December 2009 03:40:29
What a great idea! Maybe I'll get back to breeding my foundies again.
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By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 03:43:35
LoloJean, here is a visual for what i was speaking of about the genetics in horses with similar GP's being different.. Hope this helps.
By Storms Ransome, 1st December 2009 04:43:43
I breed NIB QH, Paints, Appys, Mustangs, and I am beginning on Morgans. default smiley :) Please if anyone is interested in breeding horses with me let me know default smiley :) I also would love to know the rankings for Appys, QHs, Paints, Mustangs, and Morgans default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 08:40:33
Rivenwood default smiley *-) your late...default smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 09:33:23
lively: thank you!!
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 19:14:19
I just wanted to share my excitement with fellow NIB breeders who will appreciate where i am coming from. I just bred a 3G colt with 367.41GP and over 115 inborns default smiley (7) So happy default smiley :-))
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:27:42
I've a question for the NIB connie breeders -- my origional foundation mare is aging. I wasn't planning on immortalizing her because her GP is low (350.30) -- are foundies hard enough to come by that I should immortalize her so someone can use her for an NIB program?

I'm planning on doing a crossbred NIB project *eventually* (an NIB version of my current cross ~Jumpin Beans), but was hoping to start with higher GP, and it will be a long while before I get around to it.
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:30:46
kaliko99 - well done on that, that's a good GP to reach!

Redwing - Foundations are actually relatively easy to find even for less popular breeds, it's just hard to find them with a GP above 350.70, so it's up to you whether you want to use a Stone or not. If you're thinking of sales value, unless she's also 100 BLUP it probably won't be that high.

Crossbred NIB would be fun!
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:34:04
Thanks Inner Chorus. I reached 372.77 with my last 5G, but with those the highest 3G was 364, so i am pleased that this lot are coming in higher. Green star here we come. Am just over half way there with my current 5G default smiley (lol)
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:35:29
I'm actually starting to think it'll be possible soon. default smiley :d
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:43:40
I am hoping this forum will help and encourage new interest in NIB breeding as the more interest we can generate and the more committed breeders we get, the easier it will become. Apart from ongoing help and support from HYDEIST with new foundy lines and livelyblueyes, i am blupping all my lines myself at the moment which is expensive and time consuming. I would love to be able to get some kind of NIB Connie co-op going to pool good lines and make the process quicker.
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:47:29
Imagine if all the inbreeders started safe havening their howrses to start NIBing...wow..what a pandemic that would be...and then the NIBs would rule the rankings..lol..Muahahahah
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:47:46
Shame I'm doing Newfies then, really! It's going to take up pretty much all my time/focus on here. I'll have to look into seeing what generation green stars should be possible at - with my NIB foals I've seen it's possible to move 1.3-ish in the top skill each generation.
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 20:48:16
IM not against the inbreeders at all..just would be cool if everyone would be interested in a more challenging way to play of course..where you have to do research and take your time
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 21:08:11
I'm not late, it's Monday 1:07pm where I'm at default smiley :p
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 21:57:41
I beleive that the highest listed Hano is not NIB. It is a crossbred and the Hano side is from 4* lines with what i can see as inbreeding, with a very large amount of dissapeared lines.
By Yankee Lady, 1st December 2009 22:01:50
Redwing,
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I didn't used to be in favor of immortalizing horses. But the newer breeds, in which all the foundations that will ever be are already in the game (including connies), I now immortalize at least the mares. Once this first generation ages they can't be replaced like the older breeds which have new foundations being added by new players. But the newer breeds are on the list of breeds to be chosen by new players.
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So my vote is YES, do immortalize new breed foundation mares. On the stallions I usually give them a WoY once they have completed 100 BLUP because normally the only time I use them is for coverings, so they don't age very fast. But I may decide, as they get closer to 25 years, to immortalize them as well.
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Actually all my Morgan foundies that get 351.20 from games are being immortalized because I am giving them Nyx packs.
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Just my opinion. Yankee Lady
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By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 22:17:38
Man....I forgot to submit my QH...shoot!
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 22:38:51
I tend to immortalize a lot of my foundies. Then again I also give them golden apples sooo... heeh I have an extra reason to collect them lmao. Also, if I should decide to sell them.. generally a golden apple collector will grab them and save em. However, it is not often I sell a good foundie... or any for that reason. Most of teh foundies I have sold have gone to Kaliko99 and HYDEIST. I think Riven has a couple I sold ages ago as well. Once again default smiley :) Golden apple coats default smiley :). Generally if I sell them it is after the coat is retired. The only exception were the horses I sold to kaliko when I did not think I would be coming back in game. I am happy as sin to see the progress she has made with them. ) BLUPPed a heap of em default smiley :).
All I can say is .. you have more patience than myself kaliko lol.
By Retired breeder, 1st December 2009 23:02:43
Its not patience, i am just plain stubborn default smiley (lol)
By Storms Ransome, 1st December 2009 23:37:19
You know I have a Palomino QH who is 357.18 default smiley :) His name is God's Rising Star default smiley ;)

So I'll be sure to submit him on Sunday default smiley :)

He's a great horse, but I've got a lot of work to do on him default smiley ;)
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By always, 1st December 2009 23:37:31
Riven - as the other Hano entry was removed, is it possible to revert back to my orginal 365 GP posting for Hanos?
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By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 01:17:28
Heh well .. you must be moer stubborn than I am default smiley :) At the moment I believe i have 3 foundies so close to their 20 wins I could scream.But hey once they are there that's 3 new foals with totally unused bloodlines default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 01:28:57
*sigh* I could scream.. i have been blupping a freaking gelding default smiley :( . I just purchased him and iw ould have sworn he was not geled when he was in the auctions but i had the seller send him to privates and poof he is a gelding now *sigh*. I am going to assume I just looked at him wrong in the auctions.
By Retired breeder, 2nd December 2009 01:30:20
oh well .. at least he sold fast for the same price i paid
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