[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Twinjodi, 28th November 2021 18:30:57
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Forgot one more.. slowly raising that GP lol

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Aulie-Ata
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Holsteiner
Current GP: 5627.18
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=69622946
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By Asfridur, 28th November 2021 18:35:44
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Arkadi
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Russian Don
Current GP: 6554.62 (598*), 1st gen, RG
Link to the Horse's Page: link to horse
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By Asfridur, 28th November 2021 18:37:00
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Major
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Welsh
Current GP: 6748.33 (618*) 1st gen, RG
Link to the Horse's Page: link to horse
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By Asfridur, 28th November 2021 18:37:16
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Horse's Name: Harlequin
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please): Hanoverian
Current GP: 5510.41 (494*), 1st gen, RG
Link to the Horse's Page: link to horse
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By lbenedict15, 2nd December 2021 10:29:01
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Congratulations on all the new ranking horses! Great work!
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By Pinque, 2nd December 2021 16:14:45
I've been concentrating on my Shires so long I've forgotten how NIBers figure out the generations. Could someone explain it to me, again? Thanks!
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By ʀoo, 2nd December 2021 21:52:33
I didn't know where else to ask - did the player Comatose leave the game?
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By Twinjodi, 3rd December 2021 01:20:41
Doing a quick search, rylee it does look like it.

Messaged you pinque ;D
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By KayC, 3rd December 2021 03:37:02
Hello everyone! I started playing way back in 2013 and have been off since about 2015. Wow things have changed! I have always wanted to work my way up with Foundies so I've got a couple to start off with. I'm looking for some Foundie QH's currently to cover my mare. Feel free to friend me! (Adults only please!)
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2021 17:52:17
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The best way I can explain it is in more of a genetics/pedigree term, so hopefully this makes sense:

Your P1 generation is going to be your parental generation. These horses have Ouranos and Gaia as their parents. These are going to be your 350.00 GP horses. You then breed from there.
Your F1 generation are the offspring of your P1 generation horses. So lets say you have 2 breeding pairs in your P1 and they breed once, you will have 2 horses in your F1 generation.
Those F1 offspring would then breed to create one F2 horse.
The way NIB breeding works is that you can follow the family tree of one horse back to Ouranos and Gaia and never see the same horse appear more than once.
Ideally, you have as many breeding pairs in your P1 generation so that you can breed more subsequent generations.
A lot of times, finding any horses past the P1 generation in sales is extremely difficult unless you get them directly from a NIB breeder, because sifting through a horses family tree can be really time consuming.

I hope that helps!
By gand568, 5th December 2021 00:01:01
Hi, is the Discord still active?
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By Retired breeder, 5th December 2021 17:30:58
for my daily objective I need 4 congratulations from players. please give me a congrats and I will return the favor!!!
By Storms Ransome, 6th December 2021 22:16:44


Yes it is. I'll PM you the code.
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By Storms Ransome, 6th December 2021 22:17:46
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Yeah I think she's gone. She was one of my longterm friends on the game and I think her account got deleted due to inactivity.
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By Asfridur, 7th December 2021 12:41:12

Such a shame she was loads of fun. Was an impressive long time old GP NIB'er, and so very kind and helpful default smiley :(
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By Storms Ransome, 8th December 2021 12:28:00
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@Asfridur, all the OG NIB 351.2 Marwari Foundations and all her hard work is just gone!
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By kimladris, 9th December 2021 02:29:19
I breed NIB Arabians, and I love them. One of them has a new foal, as of 11-9-21 and she is adorable.
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By Pinque, 19th December 2021 08:22:08
My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name: Δ Dame 5063.05
Horse's Breed: Shire Unicorn
Current GP: 5063.05
Link to the Horse's Page: https://www.howrse.com/elevage/fiche/?id=70667123
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By SilverLotusLamer, 26th December 2021 18:44:11
Wanting to get into NIB Hanoverians, but finding horses is a pain. Working slowly, have a small herd, but am excited to see where this goes. I originally started to spread myself too thin with wanting to do NIB unicorns and NIB donkeys, maybe one day but right now I think I'll just focus on my Hanos.
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By SilverLotusLamer, 26th December 2021 18:55:32
I'm curious, would people recommend against breeding new foundies/bloodlines with old foundies/bloodlines?
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By nlriver, 26th December 2021 22:17:17
I have long given up on my search for finding foundations. I definitely think there needs to be some sort of marker in the sales for them. Meanwhile, I did a search, I have somewhere in the region of 1,000 of them.

I've kept all my 350GP foundations and lines bred up from foundation away from the rolling gain foundations. I just don't find it any fun any more.
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By lbenedict15, 27th December 2021 14:43:51
Breedings with OGs and RGs (old and new/ rolling gain foundations) is totally user preference. That said, I think must of us keep them pretty much separate, as it is easier to keep GP's closer together. Any of your rankings would also fall under the new GPs on the ranking list if they are combined. I am actually slowly starting up a new project which will combine the two, so hoping to report back on it soon.
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By Axel'sMommy, 28th December 2021 00:54:08



Are you breeding OG or RG? I don't mix my lines because outside of genetic diversity, the OG would only bring down the GP of RG lines. You would be competing against the RG players by mixing and it would hinder your GP gains. If there's anything I can do to help, let me know default smiley :) I've been doing NIB OG Hanos since the game came out.
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By SilverLotusLamer, 28th December 2021 04:02:30
@Axel'sMommy

Thanks for the advice! I don't know how much I would be trying to be competitive, just trying to start. I just kinda want to work on NIB and start setting goals. Maybe I'll have a couple lines as I have horses from both OG and RG.

I am a little confused was the change from OG to RG slow? I have a a horse that is the child of foundation horses, but they were only like 2000 GP which is a pretty large disparity from either side, OG or RG. She was born in 2016. For reference I have a baby of OG foundies born in 2010 who is in the 350 range, as expected.
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By nlriver, 28th December 2021 21:15:14
Just checked one of my affixes. It wasn't an overnight change as I have one at the 960 from 2015 and then it jumped over 1,000 base GP about 4 months later. It also varied from breed to breed what the base GP was, so some breeds took off quite quickly and others took longer for the rolling gain to work up.

For most of the NIBers, just moving away from the 350GP baseline destroyed a lot of enjoyment and interest in the game (mine included). Competetive wasn't really a thing as we took more time to help each other out getting wins on difficult foundations or low GP horses. Especially if it was a horse that had been sold as a pass horse so had lost a lot of skills (Yes, I have several of these... somewhere)

I would say that if you are going to do it, do it because you really enjoy working with the breed rather than racing to a top GP spot, because getting to the top NIB GP of your chosen breed takes a very long time. And that isn't including the equus/pass sink that gathering your foundations could take you, not to mention time scouring the sales to find them in the first place.
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