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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 15:20:51
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That response makes no sense, considering that you don't need to let "other players kill old horses on their accounts" for you to reach 30 passes per month. You can do that just fine all on your lonesome on your own account, no cheating involved.
puciaa;That answer dosent make any sense! default smiley :o
you have 1/3 (or was it 2/3) chance to get a pass after you use your first 10 pass-kills.Kill enough of horses and you get 30 passes easily.
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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 16:16:12
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That response makes no sense, considering that you don't need to let "other players kill old horses on their accounts" for you to reach 30 passes per month. You can do that just fine all on your lonesome on your own account, no cheating involved.


You're right, but it's kind of wasting old horses if you only got 1/3 chance to get pass. That means you have to kill about 30 horses to get another 10 passes ("you have a 1 in 3 chance of getting a pass if you got between 10 and 30 passes this month using this system. The rest of the time (if you didn't get a pass) you will receive a bonus product" - help page).

On our server people let other players kill on their accounts for example 10 horses. They sell 8 of them for 1 pass and 2 for free. So they earn 8 passes, and killers (that sounds bad, but idk how to call them) earn 2 passes.
Of course it's better to kill 20 horses with someone's help and have guaranteed 18 passes, than to kill ~34 (10 guaranteed and 24 with 1/3 chance) horses by yourself to get this amount of passes, am I right (if not just tell me :s)?

And they said that it don't officially violate the game rules but it's a misuse(is this a correct word?).

again sorry for my bad english :<
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 16:35:52
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puciaa
You don't get the point. Of course that most of people here also use "Killers" but its not oficially supported. So that is why we talk about 31 passes you can get now on your own, not by killing them somewhere else.
This change is about declining these operationes with selling pass horses. but they still steal from us 21 passes we can get without selling them, but with some risk.
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 16:47:46
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I don't use "killers" -- I don't need to, I just kill horses on my own account until I hit the 30 pass limit. Some of those items that you get are quite useful -- tears, bolts, clouds, WoY. Anyone on a competitive breeding team is going to be working up AP horses, so you end up with plenty of them to kill off to get your 30 passes per month without the need to ship any off to other accounts.

Now, if they really JUST want to go after the people who use alternative accounts to make MORE than 30 passes (which I am sure probably happens) then why not make the limit for the new system 30 passes per month instead of 10?

It's obvious that they want people to just buy passes with real money instead of relying on those 30 passes per month.
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 16:51:07
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puciaa
You don't get the point. Of course that most of people here also use "Killers" but its not oficially supported. So that is why we talk about 31 passes you can get now on your own, not by killing them somewhere else.
This change is about declining these operationes with selling pass horses. but they still steal from us 21 passes we can get without selling them, but with some risk.

Retired breeder wrote:

I don't use "killers" -- I don't need to, I just kill horses on my own account until I hit the 30 pass limit. Some of those items that you get are quite useful -- tears, bolts, clouds, WoY. Anyone on a competitive breeding team is going to be working up AP horses, so you end up with plenty of them to kill off to get your 30 passes per month without the need to ship any off to other accounts.

Now, if they really JUST want to go after the people who use alternative accounts to make MORE than 30 passes (which I am sure probably happens) then why not make the limit for the new system 30 passes per month instead of 10?

It's obvious that they want people to just buy passes with real money instead of relying on those 30 passes per month.



Ok then, maybe they're using this method after they got 30 passes from killing, I don't know...
But you are right, from that perspective even players who only get those 31 passes per month will be treated unfair...
I have to inform my server-mates about that point of view
We can do more together, don't we? ;p

And whatever they say, we all know it's all about money...
As far as I am concerned it has nothing to do with multi accounting or anything else, that is just a glib answer that Howrse is giving.
The real reason is that with people earning those free 11 passes every month it cuts down on Howrse's profit. They figure that if people do not get those free passes that they will spend money and buy them, thus more money for the game.
If a player cannot earn 11 passes a month to pay for their VIP account then if they still want it they will have to buy passes so they can keep their VIP account.
Players who save up their passes and use them to play promos free will also have to either play fewer promos as passes will take longer to save up or buy passes, which is what Howrse wants.
I had a feeling this was coming when they changed the free pass every month and I suspect that once this change is over that Howrse will find a way to change the diamond giving Divines as well as those also cut back on their profit.
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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 17:04:18
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This really has nothing to do with multi accounting or cheating in my honest opinion. If Howrse wanted to make multi accounting hard they would have banned same IP users from trading and dealing. Yes, it is harsh on those that share a computer, but better than making everyone suffer. They are simply doing this to try and force people to buy passes. I am glad I stopped buying almost a year ago as Howrse just doesn't value you as a customer and will take every chance to try and take money and then cover it up with some excuse.
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 17:10:02
What is the next promo?
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 17:13:22
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What is the next promo?


The
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followed by the

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Cards promotion.
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 18:39:04
When is the T or T promo?
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 19:03:05
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When is the T or T promo?


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We are not sure when it will come out but it might might come out on Thursday
There's a ton of solutions how to solve the multiaccounting problem without changing the free pass system at all. Starting from regular bot account management like literally any other online game does (the wisest solution) and ending with gameplay restrictions (not so wise but still a lot better than cutting the free passes by 3 times and forcing players to play mini games that everyone hates already because of their low accessibility). Like "you only get a pass if killing a horse which wasn't transferred for the last 10-20-30 days / which you bred and tendered for the whole life yourself / the chance is always 1/3 and pass is never 100% guaranteed" etc. would make transfer of pass horses between accounts useless unless it's an honest sale. That's just what came to my head in one minute while writing the post; thinking about that for a week (especially by a team of professional game designers and not one amateur like me) would definitely give birth to a lot more graceful gameplay solution.

I do agree with everyone else that multiaccounting is just an excuse for changing the business model. I'm pretty sure that players would be a lot more positive about honest admission of low income and the threat that the project will be closed if the revenues won't increase. There are different ways to help that without trying to force players to spend more cash just to play comfortably.
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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 19:07:17
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I dont get what the pass changes are, are they getting rid of pass horses? Can someone explain it to me?
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 20:05:06
Anyone knows when/if the Translation Center is coming on this server?
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Thinking of the pass horse change
Nightshimmer wrote:

There's a ton of solutions how to solve the multiaccounting problem without changing the free pass system at all. Starting from regular bot account management like literally any other online game does (the wisest solution) and ending with gameplay restrictions (not so wise but still a lot better than cutting the free passes by 3 times and forcing players to play mini games that everyone hates already because of their low accessibility). Like "you only get a pass if killing a horse which wasn't transferred for the last 10-20-30 days / which you bred and tendered for the whole life yourself / the chance is always 1/3 and pass is never 100% guaranteed" etc. would make transfer of pass horses between accounts useless unless it's an honest sale. That's just what came to my head in one minute while writing the post; thinking about that for a week (especially by a team of professional game designers and not one amateur like me) would definitely give birth to a lot more graceful gameplay solution.

I do agree with everyone else that multiaccounting is just an excuse for changing the business model. I'm pretty sure that players would be a lot more positive about honest admission of low income and the threat that the project will be closed if the revenues won't increase. There are different ways to help that without trying to force players to spend more cash just to play comfortably.


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Thinking of more reasonable changes to cut down multi accounting, I can't agree more. It is so very obvious that we shall be driven into spending more real money.
When I look at my monthly pass bar, I can see, whatever I do, I'm always missing points. One here, one there, mounting up to 5 to 10 missing at the time when I should get my pass. The exact same thing will happen with the pass all 3 days. One point here, one point there missing although I work so many horses every day, enter prix, do comps, blups, EC, everything. This again means I'll miss out on passes regulary, 10 passes/month won't be given anymore. Only in months with 31 days there is a slim possibility to catch up, and february is a loss of a pass right away.
We'll also miss out on the monthly pass, did anybody notice ? They hardly implement two bars, or will they ?
I never sent more than 10 horses/month for the guaranteed 10 passes. Missing just a single one of them will annoy me. And certainly not convince me to actually spend more money on this game.
At the very least it would be needed to know what exactly we'll have to do to get those 10 points daily. Not knowing that is poking in the dark and means losing out for sure.
Thinking of doing a mini game all 3 days almost kills my patience. These games are beyond annoying. It needs so many attempts to finally get one done, it's not even funny.
This whole change annoys me that much, I better stop writing and thinking about it.
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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 22:35:15
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Can anyone enlighten me about the
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New pass system? I've looked through some pages and I can't find info, only that people are mad.
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This punishing us because they are not making enough money is getting ridiculous, have they considered the possibility that maybe the game isn't worth the money any more?

I don't trust them that's why they're not getting as much money from me as they used to, everything I have worked for, everything I have paid for they might very well take away with no reason given.

They could decide to delete all the RC coats in the game to save server space.
Rendering all our divines useless because they want to get rid of the diamonds.
Limiting all our black-market items, oh wait they already did that.
What's next Balios isn't going to give Nyx Pack´s any more?
Suddenly all the Egyptian divine´s will be limited to stop giving items the 1 January 2017?
There is no promise they won't do any of this.

I don't trust them any more and that possibility they're simply not considering, that they're not getting any money from me because I don't trust that what I would spend passes on isn't going to be gone from the game tomorrow.

It's a question of all of your here to ask yourself, do you trust them?

Do you trust them not to destroy how teams work in some way to get you to pay more?
Do you trust the dreaded RC item not to return this Christmas?

I have no idea if any of this will happen but it is likely, more likely than it ever was, they are getting desperate and the possibility that maybe it them doing something wrong has not occur to them.
It's far better to keep destroying everything on the game in a mad chase to try and get us to pay more.

I don't trust them, and that is really bad news for a company when their customers don't trust them.
And I refuse to believe I am the only one.

So this is for you Owllient if you will listen, all you got is Howrse when you have destroyed it by betraying your customer base, Ubisoft will close you down.

I absolutely love this game and it will be like losing one of my best friends, so it is painful to watch you destroy it Owlient.

I hope that you realise what you're doing before you betray us all, by taking away from us you're not enticing us to give you more you're making us doubt you instead.

The only question I ask myself each and every time is what happens next what will you destroy next and that is getting very tiresome.

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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 22:58:09
Guys what are the new breeds with really complicated names like Konig or something? Does anyone have a link??
Okay, I'm going to be frank. Everyone should calm down a little and stop accusing howrse of ' betraying their customers ' every single time they make changes to try and better their site.
I get it. Pass horses are a big part of income to a lot of players so they changes will be big and mess things up for awhile. But honestly, the price of pass horses will go up if anything because players will be desperate to buy more then they have to get all ten passes. We will get used to it and who knows, maybe they will make a new feature so players can still free passes.
All of this is being based off something that has been translated from totally different languages. This information could be flawed. So once again, calm down , because all these to the howrse you are on right now, has been changed several hundred times since it started.
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By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 23:06:53
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I hope if it comes to the point where they are not making enough money, that they sell ti to someone else who actually listens to their players rather than closing it down. I can see this pass change being the breaking point
By Retired breeder, 17th October 2016 23:10:23
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stop accusing howrse of ' betraying their customers


We will stop when Howrse shows us that they are actually listening to us. Honestly, I don't trust them at all anymore as they are still planning to go ahead with this despite all of their players clear hate for this change.
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Guys what are the new breeds with really complicated names like Konig or something? Does anyone have a link??
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We haven't heard of any new breeds being released. We just had the Drum Horse over the summer so we might have to wait awhile for a new one. Or did you mean the Wild horses, like we had over the weekend? Those aren't new, they are just being re-released
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How can we hate it if we haven't even given it a chance?
Also Howrse wont "shut down". All those ads floating around and fiber offers? Those pay howrse.
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