[Info] NIB Horses

By Retired breeder, 17th November 2009 23:20:05
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It's about time the NIB breeders had their own corner of the world default smiley ;)

Curious about NIB horses? Want to know what a NIB horse is? You've come to the right place!

What is this topic for? NIB enthusiasts to find each other and help one another progress in their respective games.
Otherwise, you may use this topic to help others learn about NIBs, share your experience, and find friends that breed NIBs default smiley :)

Please do not use this topic for advertising horses for sale.

The NIB FAQ:

What is a NIB horse?
A NIB horse is a horse that is not inbred; every horse in its pedigree appears only once (with the exception of Ouranos and Gaia). Horses with "Horse Disappeared" in their pedigree are generally not accepted by NIB breeders unless the horses in question were bought before the horses disappeared and have verifiable pedigrees.

Are there green star NIB horses?
These horses have lower GP than green stars and other top horses, as not inbreeding limits the breeding availability and is slower to progress than breeding brothers to sisters and so forth.
**Misabel edit: The first Green star NIB horse was created on February 21, 2011 - a 6th generation Connemara pony with a star in stamina. He was the end result of a lot of hard work and effort, but now that some dedicated breeders have shown it can be done, we all have something to shoot for!

Are NIB horses considered better than green stars or inbred horses?
Goodness, no! Nobody here is attempting to make that claim. Just like the Zero GP horses, these players choose to play the game in their own challenging way.

How can I get involved with NIB breeding?
It's simple! Start by purchasing a few foundation horses, or horses whose pedigrees can be tracked down and verified as non-inbred. Then carefully breed them to create foals with good GP's and skills that are not inbred!


- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *original foundies* who had 350-351.2 GP)

Akhal-Teke: 433.29 (2*)
Appaloosa: 592.04 (10*) 6th Gen
Arabians : 847.17 (31*) 3rd Gen
Argentinean Criollo: 534.37 (7*) 1st Gen
Barbs: 392.93 (1*)
Brumbies: 441.30 (2*)
Canadian: 710.75 (18*) 2nd gen
Curly : 897.50 (33*) 3rd Gen
Donkeys: 300.42
Friesian : 507.78 (6*) 2nd Gen
Gypsy Vanner: 565.03 (9*)
Hackneys: 608.80 (11*) 2nd Gen
Hanoverians: 618.73 (12*)
Holsteiner: 584.14 (11*) 1st gen
Icelandic Horse: 431.19 (1*)
Irish Hunters: 452.22 (2*)
Knabstrupper: 564.89 (8*) 1st gen
KWPN: 414.32 (1*)
Lipizzans: 451.15 (2*)
Lusitanos: 558.72 (10*)
Marwari: 551.66 (8*) 1st gen
Morgans: 411.95 (1*)
Mustangs: 419.50 (1*)
Nokota : 427.57 (2*)
Paints: 461.44 (2*)
Peruvian Paso: 441.91 (2*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 509.03 (6*) 1st gen
Quarter Horse: 450.30 (2*)
Russian Don: 636.94 (13*)
Shagya Arabian : 767.55 (25*) 5th gen
Standardbreds: 469.76 (3*)
Tennessee Walkers: 378.92 (1*)
Thoroughbred: 1086.54 (52*) 7th Gen
Trakhener: 432.77 (1*)

Australian Pony: 581.44 (9*) 1st gen
Chincoteague Pony : 575.97 (8*) 1st gen
Connemaras: 440.00 (2*)
Fjords: 447.42 (1*)
Haflingers: 496.41 (4*)
Highland Pony: 409.22
Newfoundlands: 417.87 (1*)
Quarter Pony: 477.27 (4*)
Shetland : 591.53 (11*) 1st gen
Welsh: 415.59 (1*)

Percherons: 503.74 (3*)
Shires: 461.15 (2*)
Drum horse: 1911.21 (134*)

- Current Top GPs for NIB Horses:
(bred with the *'new' foundies* who have the higher GP)

Barb : 5010.37 (445*) 2nd gen
Camargue : 4944.16 (438*) 2nd Gen
Canadians: 4019.57 (346*) 3rd gen
Curlys: 4480.67 (391*)
Hanoverian: 5510.41 (494*) 1st Gen
Holsteiner: 4627.18 (405*) 1st Gen
Knabstruppers: 3611.72
Finnish : 7001.13 (*642*) 1st gen
French Trotter: 5674.95 (511*) 2nd gen
Friesian: 4608.48 (404*) 2nd Gen
Lustiano : 4977.80 (441*) 1st gen
Mangalarga Marchador: 7417.82 (685*) 4th gen
Marwari : 5409.48 (484*) 1st Gen
Nokotas: 5283.03 (471*) 3rd Gen
Paint Horse: 3094.08 (252*)
Purebred Spanish Horse : 6045.91 5th gen
Quarter Horse: 3104.63 (253*)
Russian Don: 6747.60 (617*) 1st Gen

Kerry Bog: 3892.85 (332*)
Newfoundland Pony: 6955.84 (639*) 1gen
Welsh: 6844.92 (627*) 2nd Gen

Ban'ei: 7638.35 (707*) 3rd gen
Drum Horse : 2378.86 (181*) 5th Gen
Percheron: 5508.49 (494*) 1st Gen
Shire : 5067.74 (451*) 2nd Gen


Rivenwood's update schedule:
Sundays: Players breeding non-inbred horses may post the GPs of the horses they think are amongst the highest in the breed in this topic. Complete details should include everything listed in the form below. **Please DO NOT Submit GPs for rankings EXCEPT on Sunday!**
Misabel will post the latest high GP's for NIB horses in each breed from the Sunday submissions. Horses will not be named

Please submit your entry to the current high NIB GP using the following format in a post. It is important you use this exact format so Misabel can locate your post easily, or your submission may be missed:

My NIB GP Entry
Horse's Name:
Horse's Breed (purebreds only please):
Current GP:
Link to the Horse's Page:
 
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By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 22:15:36
Moondale, my barb foundation stallion FootstepsInTheSand is blupped and has coverings on offer, just in case you're interested default smiley ;)
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:17:31
Thanks, Dr Zig, but I want to try breeding with just my own horses for now. It will help make sure their lines stay clean (no "disappeared" horses), and I think there's an added satisfaction. default smiley ;)
By Forest Queen, 3rd December 2009 22:19:24
I would have to agree about the NIB rankings. I have come across only a few very competitive NIBers and to be honest I don't like to work with them as it is hard to get decent coverings, straight forward answers, or anything of that nature. It would put me out to NIBing if that would become the norm and I've been NIBing arabians for roughly 2 years. I would also like to point out that I'm not the hugest fan of the GP increases that have happened in the last couple of years. Yes it helps with a large jump in the NIB GP and makes the GP higher much sooner but it does the same for the GP race and made it very difficult to the leisurely NIBer to get comp wins without bonuses or fillers. (sorry my 2 cents). It also took away a bit of the level of difficulty the game presented and for quite a while I didn't breed or train since I was so upset at the 2nd or 3rd GP jump that happened default smiley (lol)
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By Dr Zig, 3rd December 2009 22:24:22
Good point Moondale default smiley :) I've just remembered that I have a bunch of foundation mustangs from last Xmas. I must use some of them.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 22:36:48
Mustangs are one of my other favorite breeds on Howrse, but I use them to get the highest stars I can so I can sell their foals for a profit. default smiley :) Hmm...I wonder if anyone is NIBing with the Peruvian Pasos? I just bought a foundation for 500e in the private sales. It was so cheap that I had to grab it. Even if I don't NIB Pasos, I may be able to sell for a profit, or at least for what I paid. default smiley :)
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:20:12
tayba is breeding Pervuvian Pasos give her a pm ..she might be interested
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:23:23
Alassíeℓ - That is a good Idea..so what if we all just put NIB in our names in comps then..at least we might be able to all gang in there..lol...
By always, 3rd December 2009 23:26:16
NIB in the names of our comps or in the names of our horses we're blupping?

I'll try to keep an eye out for other known Hano NIBers when entering shows and place some of my fillers in there, and hopefully others will do the same as a sort of "pay it forward" That would be a really awesome way of getting some foundation blupping done.

I really love the community of the NIB breeders and also how it is a "slower" project so that even when everyone's busy we can go at our own pace and still make great accomplishments.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:32:07
Thanks, Starting Right. I just wanted to know if anyone one else was working with NIB Pasos. default smiley (y) They're a rare breed in the game.
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:45:31
always I will also do the same as I have some junkers..that can be used for aging purposes..Im going to put it in for the name of my comps..my howrses names I might just put a F for foundation my affixes have the number of generations as i havent gone passed 4 yet..lol
By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:49:32
I feel the same way Always, its nice to go at your own pace.
Well i just finished bluping both of my foundies, and you know what the weridest thing is? I have a NIB quarter horse i bred, his parents both bad less than 351 GP and less than 100 blup but his GP is better than my new foal i bred from 351.20 GP 100 BLUP parents default smiley (lol)...Hmm maybe this is a sign i should stic to quarters default smiley (lol)
By always, 3rd December 2009 23:51:34
Starting Right - my "troublesome bluppers" have a # in their name (for needs # of wins lol). So I'll look out for your "F" horses and your affixes.

I find it also works to fill competitions with my already blupped lower generations, ie for my 3rd generations I fill with my finished foundations, giving the "done" horses a nice job, as all my Forever Black hanos are bred with tears via the Hera Pack, they have quite a jump in skills from the foundations, but not enough to have the foundies not be in the same show range.
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By Retired breeder, 3rd December 2009 23:53:34
I put NIB in all my NIB horses names.
By Forest Queen, 4th December 2009 00:05:32
Anything with Dark Forest.......in it's affix is usually NIB. Unless of course I decide to breed my ozcowrns default smiley :)
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By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 00:16:37
Me and my sister might try to start NIB lines of the summer tour horses. We still have ours; but they need to be trained. default smiley ;)
By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 00:39:38
Thanks always..I will find yours and enter mine when i can...it has been slow going..I spend my the last three months trying to complete the achievements..now that those are finally done...I can concentrate more..I have bred a couple of mares and put the babies for sale now back to real training..lol
By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 00:42:57
anyone doing aussies..if you are please pm me...or even standardbreds..default smiley :) The NIBers List needs to be updated..
By aml919, 4th December 2009 00:55:16
I don't think I'd want NIB ranking, but I would like to know what the current high GP for each breed is, and I would love to know if & when the first Greenstar NIB howrse appears. I think most NIBers do it for the personal challenge, not competition.

I use fillers when I buy a foundie that is already trained, but even then you can only put 2 horses in one race, so unless I can get one of my kids to put 2 of their horses in the same races for me, it still only increases the odds of winning slightly. But if anyone needs help getting wins with an arab, mustang or QH, send me pm & I'll see if I have any fillers that can help.

I only breed each horse once for my own use, then they go to my Already Bred Breeding farm. I'm not sure what I'll end up doing with them all (I've got 44 already) but for now I'm keeping them to ensure I don't end up with any more horses disappearing from the game. I've had to cut more than 15 horses from my program already.
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By always, 4th December 2009 01:07:58
aml919 - I also only breed the horses in my Forever Black breeding farm once and use the first combination (as I use a Hera Pack for colour). The "already bred" horses I use for testing out different combination and breeding conditions and their affect on the foal. The already breds also make good fillers for the foals later on if they just can't get the last few wins. I also breed my 'already bred's to outside lines too, as my main lines are already "safe" but I like to try out other lines and combinations as a side project.
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By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 01:14:13
Forest Queen, I hear what you are saying about the gp jumps. Ages ago when i first discovered NIbing on a past account I was thrilled when I reached a 351 gp. Forget even having a founding with that GP. I forget what the max was in those days it has been a few years now.
Then when i came back to the game and made my new account I was shocked when I managed a 353 gp. For ages that was the highest I could get regardless of how well trained the horse was. Now, I am hitting almost 357 from foundies.. I am just worried that soon it will jump again and all my hard work will be for naught.
By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 01:19:09
I've just set up all of my competitions for Friesians. There are so few NIB Friesian breeders (sniff, sniff) that my competitions will be geared for them. All are named NIB Friesians (yes I know very original default smiley ^)). I hope I have skills set right. We'll see how it works out.
By always, 4th December 2009 01:20:01
livelyblueyes - even if it jumps again, your work won't be for nothing because the lines you have will still be valuable even in a lesser GP horse. The GP jumps with new 1st generations you add to your breeding will just enrich the lines later on in the generations.
That's what makes NIBing so great, is that your horse is always valuable even with lesser GPs, as you always need more horses to make the line go further, so even a smaller GPed horse will help.... if all that rambling made any sense!
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By aml919, 4th December 2009 03:02:29
always - I have a few Pure Black 2nd gens. I don't know how far I'll get with them, but it's kind of a side project. If I have 2 black arabs in same generation with similar GPs, I'll breed them with a Hera's pack & make the foal black. I usually sell the 2nd foal, I don't remember what breeds you work with, but if you're ever interested in any, let me know. I have done the same with Strawberry Roans too.
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By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 03:23:12
I'm just curious....is anyone NIB any of the unicorn breeds?
By Retired breeder, 4th December 2009 03:43:05
Unicorns are so hard..except the friesians they seem to be a dime a dozen...but trying to find a NIB any other breed...you would need a magnifying glass.
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