I could be wrong with reference to RC coats , could Howrse be releasing RC coats which have been returned to them from retired players and if that is the case they wont exceed the limit which the coats were sold at, and RC coats will still hold their value . I also collect RC coats , well those I like. This is just a thought as so much info can be stored on computer

yay, I managed to read all the posts between now and yesterday (!).

Took me over an hour.

And I still like the new horsey that will help with the collector trophy. Now I want to know how to get it.

Anyone know what cloud does?

An awesome player called CeNedra posted this on the Australian server

They sound really cool!

@Neferka

I really want them now

So do I Some of the benefits probably won't work for me, but I want, I want!

I wonder what they will look like...probably kinda ugly....ah well....
There are currently 95 divines and 12 wilds...this is just out of hand lol...I don't even know all their names.

Wait,

To the possible lull in the great challenges: on the Norwegian server, we yesterday started the lottery for Longma ...

Aww, don't be like that. Spoil something, just a little..

It's just you ^_^;
You and some other people who feel the same way. But I'm not here to please everyone.

I quite love debating when done in a respectful way. But if the fact that most people always have something negative to say against Owlient and I have a better, more positive light to shine on situations means "everything" then sure if you like to see it that way. Because 20 people want to believe in the worst of things and I want to believe in better possibilities and better outcomes [whether they happen or not] is not something you'll find me ashamed of.

Howrse is open still because they're doing something right, not wrong. And not every decision they make needs the negativity people give. A lot of you seriously only ever look at the bad of these updates. There are good things.

And I don't want to agree and join everyone else against Owlient when I know better than that. You complain about them money-hoarding but they don't have enough money to run any site but this. They have tried other ventures and failed. They have closed a site they had open for 5 years because there was not enough money. On top of needing money to support the site itself, they need money to pay their employees.

I work at a fast food place for about $400 a month for under 18 hours a week. If Owlient paid me and my employees [lets say, 6 admins, no other job is guaranteed but I'm guessing at least 2 programmers, 2 artists, some other people I'm sure we won't count them so that's 10] they would have to offer up $4,000 a month just for those ten people to get paid a -barely- livable wage. Not to mention Owlient has headquartered somewhere and must pay whatever building fees are associated with that. On top of the site.

Now I did some research and found at least 32 people employed at Owlient. So $400 a month for them $12,800
So even if Owlient is a part-time job with minimal pay these are high expenses and all the money comes from this site and its servers.

So if people want to fail to realize that these changes and updates are what keep you being able to play this game then that's them. But I much rather be the 1 positive post a new person can read than join the many in their negativity of things they just refuse to understand.

Yes Howrse needs to be able to make a profit and needs to be able to stay in business but you don't do it by trampling over your loyal players by hurting their game- you introduce new things to the game to bring that profit. Otherwise the ones who were loyal pass buyers may turn away.

Not happy or impressed with the proposals

- I can see why some are but the reality will hit home once they pay a premium (as i assume this pack that is spoken of will cost more than one pass a coat) and can't resell the coat on for profit. I'm sure there will be a few tantrums then...

Meanwhile If it becomes a reality most 'collectors', who collect for the coats not trophies/to flip and so forth, will simply quit collecting...and more importantly spending money on the game.

Remember 'they' are the players who pay huge amounts (passes and equus) for coats, the trophy collectors and flippers and so forth generally pay peanuts.

Without the 'collectors' there will be no market for retired coats...just as their isn't on many of the country specific servers, where 100 use coats are still avialable months/years after release.

Just my initial thoughts on the proposal of course.

Zombie , with the wages I see where you are coming from . $12,400 dollars ( wich would be Euros as they are in France working out at €9983.50) but let's remeber when we log in it says 10.4 million people play this game ( I think that's all servers) so they are definatally earning over the odds anyway. Can't be too hard to earn €9983 every month .... I'm sure far more than 9000/10.4 mil buy passes...


I can't agree more. Why get rid of old reliable ( I'm not saying you're old - please don't take me the wrong way ) for someone you don't know will do it? It's not logical. You have someone who does what you want them to do why drive them away for new people that you don't know will do what the old players did?

Gah ... This forum ... This is why I keep trying to not comment .. I feel like them deep sea fish when I'm in here

Thanks for the reminder, Ow. Though, I really don't agree with the new changes, it is important to respect everyone here.

I still don't understand the point of the RC's if they are going to make them available again.

Well written.

I am so glad I am not a collector.

But I wrote a long post on Economics 101 in another area and this is just as valid. Companies will bring out new items, discontinue others to keep that company at the forefront of competing companies and if they don't they become stale. They also become ripe for takeovers.

Takeover companies RARELY consider customers ( players) loyal or not and what is left is often shoveled into the garbage.

Phoenix_07, that's a good point...

Artists make their coats retired for a reason. And get half as many passes for those coats.

Now Howrse wants to re-release them again, to gain money? Surely the artists should be asked if they agree. Or get a little extra compensation since their artwork is being used MORE times than they initially agreed to...

And yeah, some other artists have used my linearts for their RCs. Some of those linearts I have now declared Not For Howrse any more; those coats are done, retired, finished. But none of us are going to be asked about this, or given any extra credit. Just Howrse who gets the money. :s

When an artist does something and gets paid for it they lose the ability to decide what can be done with that piece unless a specific agreement was signed stating that it is for one purpose only and cannot be used or sold without their permission.

Do we expect any of the top classical artists like Michelangelo to rise up from the grave and say no one can resell any of his pieces, even if he may have done a piece for a friend ( no pay) if that friend resells it ?

If the players were all paid a pass for each time a rc they had went up with usages...now that'd be slightly different...not really though.

Don't forget, if you are posting about stuff that is not actually on the game, you must use spoiler tags And this is not a chat room.

I am not chatting...I am suggesting another solution.