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Seems to me the best fix would be to do as someone suggested on preprod.

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Make it Win Rosettes on horses you bred rather than a single horse. And also only ones that you currently own, ones that have been sold should not count.

Also I thought I saw somewhere on preprod that if you already had the trophy you wouldn't lose it? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.
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Rogin wrote:

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Make it Win Rosettes on horses you bred rather than a single horse.

Also I thought I saw somewhere on preprod that if you already had the trophy you wouldn't lose it? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.


That's not how it works
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They will remove your Trophy. It's GONE.
What they will not remove is the Points you got for it Instead of removing points (what are they going to do? Take away your Divine horse...?). You take no point loss, but are now one/two/nine Trophies behind in your counter.
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Rogin wrote:

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Make it Win Rosettes on horses you bred rather than a single horse.

Also I thought I saw somewhere on preprod that if you already had the trophy you wouldn't lose it? Perhaps I'm wrong about that.


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Nope, you lose the trophy (not the points for the prizes, but you do lose the trophy itself)

Yeah that was my suggestion. It would make it more achievable, but it should also start from 0 rather than handing all the rosettes already won to the respective players.

Or they could just add this as an additional trophy... there's 0 reason why they can't be 2 separate trophies!
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Some are implicating teams just make all kinds of passes. Which some do, however there is a lot of passes going into breeding them. I’m not on any teams that have profited off sales. We are infact in the 10s of 1000s in the negative on one team I am on.

I spend money to breed horses to sell to other players, I have yet to profit off someone else’s hard work from skilling the horse they purchased.
And we do it because we KNOW how expensive it is to upkeep, but it makes other people happy and helps other people win rosettes, place in prix, obtain the fountain and obtain trophies. The buyers don’t have to take care of all their horses daily to keep aging points, they don’t have to breed and blup daily to keep up.

Teams ARE regular players. That’s what I’m getting at. Ask to join a top team to have a horse bred, ask for help. Make your own team, breed more. Etc, top teams don’t just happen overnight. It’s that’s the logic we are supposed to have- I’d be plying by myself envying the top Nokota team for being better. Instead we created a team, recruited players- and now I RESPECT everything they’ve done and where they are. Including the prices they sell their horses at because I know 1st hand how expensive it is.

Unless you have started from the bottom with a team, and worked your way to the top- competing without other teams, you really have no clue how costly it is to maintain. You’re not just competing with the teams in the same breed, it is also over all teams. Especially if there are similar genetics or you are able to win rosettes in more than one competition.

Point being, if this is solely about a trophy- then talk about making another trophy, but once you start bringing teams into this- now you’re being unfair. Just pointing that out. And that’s MY point. I’m not arguing about the fact they should keep currently trophy and just add a new one, I’m making a statement about players being unfair towards teams over what howrse is deciding they may change. Players on teams have nothing to do with that.



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For those wondering about the offer, it's

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красивая девушка wrote:

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Some are implicating teams just make all kinds of passes. Which some do, however there is a lot of passes going into breeding them. I’m not on any teams that have profited off sales. We are infact in the 10s of 1000s in the negative on one team I am on.

I spend money to breed horses to sell to other players, I have yet to profit off someone else’s hard work from skilling the horse they purchased.
And we do it because we KNOW how expensive it is to upkeep, but it makes other people happy and helps other people win rosettes, place in prix, obtain the fountain and obtain trophies. The buyers don’t have to take care of all their horses daily to keep aging points, they don’t have to breed and blup daily to keep up.

Teams ARE regular players. That’s what I’m getting at. Ask to join a top team to have a horse bred, ask for help. Make your own team, breed more. Etc, top teams don’t just happen overnight. It’s that’s the logic we are supposed to have- I’d be plying by myself envying the top Nokota team for being better. Instead we created a team, recruited players- and now I RESPECT everything they’ve done and where they are. Including the prices they sell their horses at because I know 1st hand how expensive it is.

Unless you have started from the bottom with a team, and worked your way to the top- competing without other teams, you really have no clue how costly it is to maintain. You’re not just competing with the teams in the same breed, it is also over all teams. Especially if there are similar genetics or you are able to win rosettes in more than one competition.

Point being, if this is solely about a trophy- then talk about making another trophy, but once you start bringing teams into this- now you’re being unfair. Just pointing that out. And that’s MY point. I’m not arguing about the fact they should keep currently trophy and just add a new one, I’m making a statement about players being unfair towards teams over what howrse is deciding they may change. Players on teams have nothing to do with that.





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Respectfully, that shouldn't justify effectively taking credit for the time and investment someone has put into a skiller. You bred the horse, yes, but the buyer was the one who invested a lot of time and resources into it, therefore they deserve the credit for that horse.

I've been on multiple prix teams, I know exactly how expensive it is to keep it going, especially when another team is on your tail, but that's just part of what comes with the territory. It's why it is advised that you don't join a team until you have the resources to meet the demands that are expected.

I personally made over 1000 gp with my solo walker project in 2 months, which was roughly 86 blups in total, many of which have already picked up rosettes, despite being 1500+ behind the top team. It can be done, the thing though? I've got tons of resources, tears p for the next 51 days, 400+ tears when that runs out. My point? Teams aren't the only ones who put in tons of time and resources into their lines, there are us solo breeders who take pride in what we have built up on our own. If I was to ever geld and sell some of my top, I certainly wouldn't expect to take credit for the work that the buyer put into it, even with the time and resources I have put into my line so far. default smiley :)

I care so much because I am someone that has the resources to breed my own rosette horses, but there are many out there that don't, they are the players that are really going to struggle when they have to breed their own to try and get some rosettes. Being able to pick up a teared foal and train it for rosettes gave those players a chance to work towards that trophy, but now they will either have to give up on it or spend tons on tears in order to do it.
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Respectfully, again missing the point. We all start at zero. Where you go from there is up to you. As privs also aren’t free- which adds to my point.

Your statement contradicts itself.

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I don’t have even 1/100 of the resources you say you have and I’m not speaking poorly or against those who do, or teams etc. I’m not complaining about people who have more trophies than me. If I wanted them bad enough I’d work harder to obtain them. You stated “it can be done” which proves many points in the flip side of this change. So based on that alone- if it can be done, no reason to drag teams down. (Not directed at you but anyone who has or will) I can’t almost positively say the 1000 rosette trophy- total rosettes or bred by me- I will probably never even obtain. So it’s not like I’m here just trying to make myself feel better. As much as you think it’s unfair- I think it’s fair. That trophy isn’t the problem, nor is it unfair. Please look at all the trophies that players can not obtain that are already here. Maybe in doing so, you can see the other side.

Also note: some skillers are sold with BMIs already added and skilled out.
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Correction, I meant collections partially as in my head I was thinking of retired coats. But it still applies
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to trophies as well. I’ve said it before, I’ve said it again, where you go in this game is entirely up to you. If you want the trophy, join a team, breed and blup a lot. But don’t be upset at people who are already able to obtain that, be upset with howrse for making the change



I feel like I’m repeating myself. So I’m not going to type any more storybooks. I respect your opinion, but I’m speaking for myself. I look forward to it for other players, knowing it’s something I will never reach. Ans I’m not upset they have the means and I don’t. I started from zero just the same default smiley :)
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I see it this way - why put in the work to skill a foal when it could be sold to someone else, skilled, then bring in rosettes? I'd be the one getting the credit regardless of who trained it if I am the breeder. How is that fair to the buyer? They literally bought something off me, yet I am still the one benefitting from it.

Yes, some are sold as skillers, but the price reflects that fact. In both cases, the buyer is the one who loses out.
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Oathkeeper wrote:

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I see it this way - why put in the work to skill a foal when it could be sold to someone else, skilled, then bring in rosettes? I'd be the one getting the credit regardless of who trained it if I am the breeder. How is that fair to the buyer? They literally bought something off me, yet I am still the one benefitting from it.

Yes, some are sold as skillers, but the price reflects that fact. In both cases, the buyer is the one who loses out.


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That makes sense but going forward anyone looking to get the trophy is going to know they can't buy a horse to get it. So if someone knows this and still buys a horse, what's the issue? You both benefit, buyer gets 'win X rosettes,' seller gets the other one. As long as it's made clear a bought horse doesn't count then it doesn't seem unfair.
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I have no idea why some have decided that players being upset is a dig at teams?

The breeders who sold the skillers have already profited/been rewarded for breeding them - by selling them!

Why should they profit any further/

Once a horse is sold, it should have nothing to do with the breeder anymore - it isn't their horse!
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Royale wrote:

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That makes sense but going forward anyone looking to get the trophy is going to know they can't buy a horse to get it. So if someone knows this and still buys a horse, what's the issue? You both benefit, buyer gets 'win X rosettes,' seller gets the other one. As long as it's made clear a bought horse doesn't count then it doesn't seem unfair.


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But the point is that is hasn't been made clear - because Howrse has randomly decided to change it!

If the trophy had been this from the start, I wouldn't have cared. But now, Howrse have not only decided to change the requirements but actually back date all the rosettes won by players aiming for that trophy and give them to the breeder instead!

That is what's unfair!

If they deleted the current trophy, added the new one, and everyone starts from 0 I also wouldn't care. It's the unfairness of all my hard work being taken away and given to someone else because 'Howrse has decided' that is heartbreaking...
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The goalpost has moved.
Players who have invested in it are now left out to dry. That's the point.
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My horse Hugo has won nearly 4000 rosettes, he probably wont win many more . I skilled him for rosettes , I spent so much time & aging points getting there to get the trophies.
He is around 80 years old , I didn't breed him. He cost a lot of passes and items. I entered comps without auto comp so he only entered the ones where he hadn't already won a rosette.
I litterally spent around four days work with him..
I literally don't care about the points / prizes at all.. I'm a trophy hunter / competitor ..
This is just unbelievable..
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Red rain wrote:

My horse Hugo has won nearly 4000 rosettes, he probably wont win many more . I skilled him for rosettes , I spent so much time & aging points getting there to get the trophies.
He is around 80 years old , I didn't breed him. He cost a lot of passes and items. I entered comps without auto comp so he only entered the ones where he hadn't already won a rosette.
I litterally spent around four days work with him..
I literally don't care about the points / prizes at all.. I'm a trophy hunter / competitor ..
This is just unbelievable..


I've been following your progress with Hugo! He is amazing! I'm in the same situation with my horse Max... 4118 rosettes and I entered all of them without using auto comp.

I am so proud of myself for what I have achieved with him, and now my achievements are being given away default smiley :(
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I totally hear you Bell_z,

This is just wrong ! default smiley :(
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I don't know how anyone would have the time to do both (be on teams and skill). It's literally a full time job hunting rosettes and why I rarely bother to try to get more than 4-500. The one month I did it to get Arion it cost me plenty of passes as I needed multiple skillies and hours and hours of my time. I view the (win 10000 rosettes) as unrealistic, similar to get 1 million pieces of poo. I have almost 500K and that took more than 10 years so I have no clue how to even attain that. There are also a few other trophies that aren't attainable until the next time the promo for it comes around.

I had a bunch of untamed chimeras so I was able to complete that one but the one for wild's is elusive as mine are now all tamed. For the pet I Just don't tame it myself, I just ask others so maybe I'll hit a trophy for it, if not, that's another one that I'll have to wait on.

I think there's a very small percentage of people who do rosettes for the trophy, the majority do it for the prix or to help their teams prestige.

Overall, I find the goals for the trophies to be silly, they have little to nothing to do with the actual game and instead are all about 'collectibles' so the game should really redefine itself as "collect hundreds of horse inspired dreamlike divines" and put the rest of the game out of its misery.
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Red rain wrote:

My horse Hugo has won nearly 4000 rosettes, he probably wont win many more . I skilled him for rosettes , I spent so much time & aging points getting there to get the trophies.
He is around 80 years old , I didn't breed him. He cost a lot of passes and items. I entered comps without auto comp so he only entered the ones where he hadn't already won a rosette.
I litterally spent around four days work with him..
I literally don't care about the points / prizes at all.. I'm a trophy hunter / competitor ..
This is just unbelievable..


All of this!

I only read about this change today and agree with many of you here. I can't understand the thought process behind it at all.

It nearly killed me doing the 2500 rosette with a horse trophy, and as said cost a small fortune in purchasing/items and also in my time and effort.

Why should someone I already paid, get to leapfrog from my hard work and at my expense!

Breeding our own, not as easy as it sounds, and very costly. Quite simply I don't even want to go there, I'm a trophy hunter/collector, with no interest in the gp race!
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without reading all the walls of text and what not, can someone give me a simplified version of what is going on with the trophies? I hunt them or at least the ones I can do....
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Why dont they make it 2 seperate trophies? Then I would understand this strange move of the game creators. So all the rosettes you won right now with a horse you bred will get counted?
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мσяѕ σвѕ¢υяα wrote:

without reading all the walls of text and what not, can someone give me a simplified version of what is going on with the trophies? I hunt them or at least the ones I can do....


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- The trophy for
'getting this number of rosettes with a horse'
is being changed to
'get this number of rosettes with a horse you have bred'

Meaning, that all of the rosettes people win with other peoples horses, like buying a skiller form a team, will go towards the breeder. So say I buy a horse, skill it myself, and win a thousand rosettes with it, the person who bred the horse, not me, will get the rosettes for their own trophy.

So they did nothing but sell the horse, I bought it, used all my items on it, but THEY get the credit for ALL of the rosettes it has won. Not like I've.. done that in the last week.. or anything..

The trophy that IS staying, is 'win this number of rosettes'. So the rosettes you win with someone else's horse will count towards the overall rosettes trophy but not the ones for winning however many rosettes with a singular horse. Those rosettes are credited to the breeder.
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мσяѕ σвѕ¢υяα wrote:

without reading all the walls of text and what not, can someone give me a simplified version of what is going on with the trophies? I hunt them or at least the ones I can do....


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Howrse are changing the 'win x rosettes with one horse' trophy to 'win x rosettes with one horse you have bred.' They are going to apply rosettes won in the past to this new trophy.

So all the rosettes you have ever won with horses you bought are now going to be handed to the breeder of that horse. You will lose any progress made on that trophy up until now and only horses you have bred will count. You will also lose the trophy (I am set to lose 1 gold trophy)
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ty lee ✿ wrote:

So all the rosettes you won right now with a horse you bred will get counted?


Yes, but any you have won with a horse you bought in the sales will be taken away from you and given to that horse's breeder...
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