If Howrse were to implement this then things like the ISIS perk would not exist ( which helps many breeders). Automatic bedding of your horse.

I have 23 perks from these special horses that passes can't buy.

ive owned my Jade for over 11 years now and the most ive EVER gotten in one go is 200 passes. EVER.

I just cannot fathom the inflation of *everything* if every Divine gave out premium currency.

And we wouldn't be able to afford a thing, because the price of Divines and Items would skyrocket, and by reflex horses too.

Always remember the Golden Rule.
"Howrse doesn't want you to spend money on what you want. Howrse wants you to spend money on what THEY want."

It's the reason why they have targeted any item that would net a profit through sales or exchange. Sales are not profitable to the game, Weekend promos are.

Same. Mine was born in 2011. But the 1000 passes exist. We've seen screenshots. They're there, somewhere.

The Musketeers (honestly) are kind of cheat. Athos does NOT drop every 50 days. Even if you got help every day it would still take 52. I don't know what happened, but SO many people choose to try and get the 10 points a day there just isn't enough to go around. I tried doing it that way and I only got 1 help in a month, so now I just choose to help others and get my 6 points right away. My Athos drops about once every 75 days, which is NOT good. If I had multiple Musketeers, maybe I could get my Porthos to help out my Athos, but I just wasn't interested in the rest.

Also, a reminder that Snow Queen was a pack divine, so if her gift wasn't good (I'm looking at Hrafn) nobody would buy her. The Fairy Tales were never meant to be a good set, they just made an exception for Snow Queen because of her release.

I do completely agree with you about prizes, but we already have divines that drop good prizes. Howrse keeps churning all these new ones out (I am not entirely sure why, I think they should personally stop and start re-releasing divines) but we still have Christmas, packs, Black Friday, Weekend offers and pass divine offers to get good ones.

It is also common knowledge that sets aren't always all good (even the solars have some weak ones like Pluto and Saturn who drop, but not as good as Jupiter or Mars per se) It's just a horse thing to do, they released Ptah and Apophis at the end of the Egyptians, arguably the most luxurious set on the game, and everybody got them because the set was so good excluding them. The problem with these new sets is that one divine isn't worth the entire set, howrse maybe could've done this with the musketeers because heck, they only had four. But the fairy tales are still going at full speed.

In all honesty, the Sherlock Holmes set bore me and the prizes aren't great. An Achilles' heel is actually a good item for me, but when they release Midir and Tumatauenga in Golden Fleeces instead of HoPs, why would I waste my time you know?

I am just going to repeat what I said on preprod. If you are going to keep churning out divines, begin churning out new black market items. (NOT customization or companions, so sick of those). New items that are *valuable to a large group of players but not all (i.e. Hestia's Gift or Nyx's Star, *tradeable and *offered in events I'm not talking about 50p BMI, I am looking for 200-600p BMIs that are useful to gameplay and people want. Not that it's a flawless idea, but it seems like it would work better than trying to get people to buy entire sets.

New items and gameplay perks is a better solution, long term.

Because it is a catch-22 isn't it?
On one hand, we want divines with decent perks, at least if the price is going to be the same.
But all these divines with all these items given out month after month simply devalues the items. Especially when you combine that with event prizes and the luck items, which players are encouraged to open during the weekend promos.

And while Howrse is (was?) a breeding game at its core, it's likely only a tiny number who spend many passes on that section of the game. Given how team focused the game is, with only specific breeds having the ability to win the Prix, it just pushes out a large section of players, who then strive for collecting instead, be it collecting divines, coats, etc.

I think if they could add inherited coats, or markings at the least, it would reinvigorate interest in the breeding section of the game. Breeding for genetics that are outdated in a month isn't interesting for me at all, but breeding for aesthetics is great to keeping long term interest

[quote= 1404406379]The Musketeers (honestly) are kind of cheat. Athos does NOT drop every 50 days. Even if you got help every day it would still take 52. I don't know what happened, but SO many people choose to try and get the 10 points a day there just isn't enough to go around. I tried doing it that way and I only got 1 help in a month, so now I just choose to help others and get my 6 points right away. My Athos drops about once every 75 days, which is NOT good. If I had multiple Musketeers, maybe I could get my Porthos to help out my Athos, but I just wasn't interested in the rest.[/quote]
That's because people are greedy, it's not Howrse's fault. I have all 4 musketeers. Each day I ask for help with my Athos, and I give help with the other 3. By all calculations this must be fine and the help I give each day is 3 times more than the help I get. However, strangely enough, I end up with only 4 points on my Athos almost every day, meaning very rarely people are giving help. How's anyone expecting help to be enough, when they do not give help on their turn?

If they were at your mind about the musketeers, this means they left out all the rest but Athos as "unneeded" without considering the fact that if everyone get only Athos and always ask for help, there won't be players enough to help them out. It's fine for them saving up passes and then just receiving, but how about those that help them? Does it make me a naive idiot just because I was considering enough to spend on divines I do not need just to be sure I will return the help I request with my Athos back to the community (if there is a community at all left here)?

I have always given help with all my Musketeers, even Athos, and I've always thought I was not the only one. Looks like we are in the minority here

+1. Sad, but true. By the way, I think it was yesterday or the day before that it was you who helped my Athos, so thanks a bunch!

Yeah I do one day giving help and one day asking for help (with both of my Athos). I only ask for help if I log on within 2 hours of daily update, if I log in later then it's always giving. I almost always receive help with this system.

I've been meaning to contact the players who I helped and ask when they asked for help as I am unsure whether "help requests" roll over or not.

If you mean if they stick around after the update then no

We are talking BMIs here, not perks. I never mentioned perks should be replaced by passes. Perks do not lie around my inventory for years.

The thing is if Divines only gave out passes then the perks would not be there just as the BMIs would not be there.

So to change the system to have pass giving only Divines affects more than just BMIs.

Why, if we replace with passes only the BMIs? I see no reason why should a change like this affect perks at all. They both exist simultaneously right now. It's all the same if we get Perks + BMI or Perks + equivalent passes (although Nalu is right here, no way Howrse will allow a reward of, say, 600 passes instead of the Nyx pack, for example, or even more passes for the scales)...

Actually when I said "boring" I meant "boring". If divines only gave passes there would be whole handfuls of divines that dropped the exact same thing in (essentially) the same time frame. 40 passes every 30-45 days, 40 passes every 32-45 days, 40 passes every 30-40 days... Not what I would call interesting. That's what I was getting at in my original message.

(Can't quote myself)
"2. That would be INCREDIBLY boring. It's nice some divines give passes, but having every divine give the same thing would get very old, and most would end up essentially being the same divine just with a different look."

Besides, the game is a lot easier, yes you are absolutely right about that. But the game has been around since 2005, and this server has been around since 2007, it would essentially be impossible for it NOT to get easier over time. Take your suggestion for example, if divines only gave passes BM items would be as easy to buy as store items, making the game alot easier.

I think it would get boring to replace everything with passes. We already have divines who give out passes

Yup, and some of the divines that give out gifts also give out passes occasionally. Plus there's the whole solar system series of pass givers.

I feel like it would give more all-round value to items which are released - especially luck items, companion items, customisation iterms - and can't be traded, if Howrse made them tradable. If the community and exchange aspect was optimised, more people would be keen even on the perks and prizes that they didn't specifically want, because they could trade it off, offer as prizes for their own little events, etc. And I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who wishes more items on this game could be exchanged.

Frankly you could get 3 nyx packs from a single challenge on a smart trade.

The hermes is a one off little perk that isn't actually much of a perk. You can get that same perk by using your head. It's a useless item parading as a superior one. I'm not admitting your point.

I don't find it advantageous. Just like you think it is.

With all the changes that irk me on howrse, I do love how many different gameplay styles one can employ to succeed.

I honestly consider scales a life-saver.

I play daily but I don't work my horses much.
I've got three Balioses who drop monthly, but little to no use for nyx packs.
It's honestly easier to get 3 challenges per nyx with matching Sekhmet/Tyr than to try and hope for some decent exchange rate on these because let's be honest. It's REALLY hard to get anyone to trade 3 whole TC's for a single nyx.
Heck, it's hard to trade a nyx for ONE TC.
Checking right now, the best deal I could get is trading TWO of my nyx'es for a single TC.

As for the Hermes'... it's good for the emergency THE ITEM YOU NEED, but not too great on the long run. I agree on that x)

Which is valid. My point was that the one Nyx with a Scale would become 3 TCs, which in exchanges would THEN become 8 Nyx. But I do understand that not everyone has the same tastes as I do. It's not big deal, I'll just get the scale divines for myself and we'll agree to disagree.

Also, I never mentioned Hermes Staff, because the Staff had ONE job. Just one job, and it was buying the Pieces of Cloud pack. Once they removed the chance of buying pieces of Cloud packs their value dropped to rock bottom.

Interestingly enough, the Pieces of Cloud pack ALSO plummeted to rock bottom for me, as I never touched the thing again and only used singular pieces of Cloud from them on.

Oh wow, I had no idea you could not use a Winged Staff to purchase a POC pack. I never thought to use them in that way and I only get VIP from HOPs/Altair - that would have been amazing to skill then. When did they make the change?

I think it was 2011 or 2012, when they went "Actually, from now on only items that can be BOTH Purchased and Traded can be exchanged with the Staff", and we told them we would just stop buying the pack if that were the case.
They didn't listen and we stopped buying the pack

I mean, I get that the Pieces of Cloud Pack was the main draw for Pegasus and one of the most interesting for VIP back then, and they felt their gain was undercut because of the Staves, but it was a debatable move at best.

Yeah I got very disappointed when I wanted to exchange my staff for the pack on my skiller. Had to buy it with passes because I wanted to finish the horse but what a waste. I now don’t know what to do with my staffs I get from my divine

I use them on luck items. Nothing else to use them on